Oh boy, this will make a for an interesting police report. Who would would the police side with? I’m honestly going to believe they will side with Lynn for multiple reasons.
No, that’s battery, anywhere from a month to a year in jail.
Garner was doing to appropriate thing. If Terrence persisted in not following the rules, you call hotel/convention center/venue security and have them trespass him. If he returns and persists, then you have the venue call the police, who will invite him to leave or go to jail.
I understand the desire to physically deal with the problem; but Lynn just committed a violent criminal act. And as she was acting as a representative of the convention, Terrence can sue both Lynn and the convention for injuries. Congratulations, Terrence wins and provides a recruitment story for real Neo-Nazis and Alt-righters
Freedom of speech only restricts some government activity. A non-government group can tell you to leave, and your speech rights do not stop police from enforcing trespassing laws.
The 1st Amendment protects your freedom of speech from the government and unreasonable or unconstitutional abridgment.
You still have a freedom of speech vis a vis other citizens, they just don’t have to listen, hang around, or let you stay in a private location not your own. A hotel doesn’t have to let you stay if you’re an asshole to other guests, a convention renting the convention space of a hotel doesn’t have to let you into that area.
Hmmm lets see…..
1. T make a ‘threatening move’ towards Gamer, Lynn was acting as a good samaritan and defending Gamer
2. Lynn has a known history of anger issues, with the con so busy she forgot her medication and the uniform triggered an episode.
3. Lynn ‘tripped’ and T was in the way
4. Given this is the mid-west, cops don’t mind what happened to T
Seeing how Lynn’s knee is in the air, she should have also given Terrence a knee kick to his family jewels. That would be hilarious because it’s always funny to see a guy hit below the belt, if it wasn’t, then comedy shows and movie wouldn’t include it.
Reality you’d definitely have assault charges. Most likely be a minimal sentence though. Community service/etc. Any decent lawyer would bring up the whole “Well, she’s unlikely as hell to re-offend, given the general lack of asshats running around in full nazi regalia.” thing. She’d be internet famous for a while of course – which is fair enough. I’d buy her a drink/cookie/whatever the heck in a heartbeat, and shake her hand. Sometimes, “It’s not right, but I understand.” is a very valid concept**. This is one of those times.
**Not claiming nazis don’t need punching – the “not right” part only comes in due to his not actually doing anything other than existing as a highly visible jackhole. For that level of offense, just dragging him outside would be more like “right” but punching… yeah I can understand that too.
As a private citizens you can’t touch him unless he attacks you first. Touching him constitutes battery. Threatening to hit him in a “convincing way” constitutes assault: raising your fists and swinging but not connecting is assault. Actually connecting is battery. If he attacks first it’s self-defense and you can respond “appropriately” and proportionately.
Yes, as I noted – it’s going to result in charges – or at least it would in reality. That doesn’t mean that it never needs to happen. See “It’s not right, but I understand.
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18 thoughts on “Nothing”
viga
YES! YES! GO FOR THE BALLS NEXT!
Chiaroscuro
Endlessly satisfying.
Certain to have problematic ramifications, but endlessly satisfying.
Langland
Oh boy, this will make a for an interesting police report. Who would would the police side with? I’m honestly going to believe they will side with Lynn for multiple reasons.
Scotty
No, that’s battery, anywhere from a month to a year in jail.
Garner was doing to appropriate thing. If Terrence persisted in not following the rules, you call hotel/convention center/venue security and have them trespass him. If he returns and persists, then you have the venue call the police, who will invite him to leave or go to jail.
I understand the desire to physically deal with the problem; but Lynn just committed a violent criminal act. And as she was acting as a representative of the convention, Terrence can sue both Lynn and the convention for injuries. Congratulations, Terrence wins and provides a recruitment story for real Neo-Nazis and Alt-righters
Paul
I came across a relevant webcomic page from 2008
http://www.bahala-na.co.uk/catgirl-crisis/daffy-and-ginger-vs-the-zombie-nazis/
Flying Fringe
Freedom of speech only restricts some government activity. A non-government group can tell you to leave, and your speech rights do not stop police from enforcing trespassing laws.
Trae Dorn
*gasp* Are you suggesting that Terrence out of all characters might be completely wrong about something? 😛
John Trauger
Unfortunately, battery charges exceed con policies.
Scotty
Indeed they do
Scotty
The 1st Amendment protects your freedom of speech from the government and unreasonable or unconstitutional abridgment.
You still have a freedom of speech vis a vis other citizens, they just don’t have to listen, hang around, or let you stay in a private location not your own. A hotel doesn’t have to let you stay if you’re an asshole to other guests, a convention renting the convention space of a hotel doesn’t have to let you into that area.
Moose
Hmmm lets see…..
1. T make a ‘threatening move’ towards Gamer, Lynn was acting as a good samaritan and defending Gamer
2. Lynn has a known history of anger issues, with the con so busy she forgot her medication and the uniform triggered an episode.
3. Lynn ‘tripped’ and T was in the way
4. Given this is the mid-west, cops don’t mind what happened to T
Langland
Seeing how Lynn’s knee is in the air, she should have also given Terrence a knee kick to his family jewels. That would be hilarious because it’s always funny to see a guy hit below the belt, if it wasn’t, then comedy shows and movie wouldn’t include it.
Abdiel
Reality you’d definitely have assault charges. Most likely be a minimal sentence though. Community service/etc. Any decent lawyer would bring up the whole “Well, she’s unlikely as hell to re-offend, given the general lack of asshats running around in full nazi regalia.” thing. She’d be internet famous for a while of course – which is fair enough. I’d buy her a drink/cookie/whatever the heck in a heartbeat, and shake her hand. Sometimes, “It’s not right, but I understand.” is a very valid concept**. This is one of those times.
**Not claiming nazis don’t need punching – the “not right” part only comes in due to his not actually doing anything other than existing as a highly visible jackhole. For that level of offense, just dragging him outside would be more like “right” but punching… yeah I can understand that too.
Scotty
As a private citizens you can’t touch him unless he attacks you first. Touching him constitutes battery. Threatening to hit him in a “convincing way” constitutes assault: raising your fists and swinging but not connecting is assault. Actually connecting is battery. If he attacks first it’s self-defense and you can respond “appropriately” and proportionately.
Abdiel
Yes, as I noted – it’s going to result in charges – or at least it would in reality. That doesn’t mean that it never needs to happen. See “It’s not right, but I understand.
EcchiKitty
Eh, he was given a chance, and refused to leave. He is now being removed by force… focused on his face.
E. Bernhard Warg
Terrence’s eyes are closed! Maybe he didn’t see Lynn!
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Xero
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
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